even $50M. Those numbers are very reasonable. The rule is if a player finishes 2 top in the ROY balloting he is credited with a full year of service time regardless of the number of days he actually spent in the majors. In 2021, he threw 94.0 total innings in stints with nearly every Braves MiLB team and added 2.1 with the big league squadhe and Dylan Lee made their Major League debuts on the same day last. No I said youre disingenuous because youre trying to use the 2 1/3 ML inning pitched by Strider as a full season comp to Harvey. 2023 Signing Bonus The Clemson product cracked the Braves Opening Day roster in 2022, initially working multi-inning stints out of the bullpen before ascending to the starting staff, where he not only found success but emerged as a bona fide front-of-the-rotation arm. Strider was added to the Atlanta active roster on October 1, 2021, and made his main league debut with one inning of relief against the New York Mets. You can project him to approach or even set some combination of Arb1, Arb2 and Arb3 records, and Strider would still probably come in under $50MM and thats assuming health and sustained dominance. So now we have $55 mil. Lets not get silly and act like the Braves ran away with it and were disrespected. But it would certainly not be enough to be among the top 22 percent of players in that class (the lowest the Super Two cutoff has been since 2009 is 2 years and 115 days after 2019). What about Georgias racist voting rights? Strider has been significantly better than Harvey so far. So we are primed in the next 2 years ti go after anyone and hopefully alvarez and baty are legit to add to alonso lindor and whoever else. But if he is what it looks like he could be, its a steal. He started 20 times and finished three . TO make the math easy lets just say by 20%. @Run. He already missed a month due to injury. If you dont catch it and cancel the extra comments before the edit button expires, it looks like youve repeated the same post. Later in the season, he missed the season due to a torn UCL, which necessitated Tommy John surgery. Braves should stay as far away from Correas mercenary thoughts (and bad back) as possible. Free Agent: 2029, More Spencer Strider Pages at Baseball Reference, 2022 Braves Then again, I also had concerns with Baez, who has a higher degree of volatility due to his approach. To be fair, theyve made it much more difficult on fans. Even then, Strider still has to match two of the best young pitchers in the game over the next 5 years to even have that conversation, which is not likely. Baez currently is one of the worst hitting SS in MLB. The stuff I read in spring training had the Braves, Phillies and Marlins all ahead of the Mets who were 78-84 the year prior and spent money on a bunch of 30 some odd year olds. Prior to his MLB career, he played for minor league teams such as Augusta GreenJackets, Rome Braves, Mississippi Braves, and the Gwinnett Stripers. They still unquestionably saved on Striders first two free-agent years, provided he remains healthy. Doubt the Sox are much happier w/Story, but Red Sox fans would know much more about that than I do. They lost Acuna and won a WS. So yes, the Braves could have waited to see if he will continue to perform at the same level as he did in 2022 and if he does perform they would have paid that price. October 28, 1998 His previously strained left oblique muscle was fine as he threw off the mound on Sunday and on flat ground on Monday. Theyve been doing well to develop revenue streams and having them as serious generators by the time the current contract is up, and when a new one is signed, they should be up there in annual budgets (and profitability). The only IF is whether hell stay healthy and productive enough to earn the money. Spencer Strider's salary is $710,000 per year, which includes a $0 signing bonus. The Braves have zero middle infield prospects on their top 4 mil teams. Thats conjecture, you stating what his arb years would or wouldnt be considering the volatility of pitchers, players with less than two years of major league experience, players with less than 150 major league innings, and who have barely seen each team once, when pitching has the advantage over hitting when neither has faced each other. It wouldnt be fair to the rest of the players. Itll be a long time before someone gets a deal over $35M/yr and 7-years long. Id assume the player has a good argument for the latter. Our reasoning for presenting offensive logos. I dont count him anyway as hes not exactly in his first or second year. Braves will be WS contenders for the next 5 years at least with this core. They even got an opt out in the form of a cheap buyout if he crashes prior to his last year the Braves control. I bet the Yankees are wishing Judge took that extension earlier this year. Then, they would have to compete against the Houston Astros, New York Yankees, Cleveland Guardians or Seattle Mariners. Know it all..not no-it-all. Imo, you made a reasonable case for your trade evaluation w/out the amateur psychological evaluation. Acuna contract was great. Only if its a Top-2 mustache, and it is. Great job by signing Strider to an extension. We just cant afford to pay you market price. Gerrit Cole was a Yanks fan growing up, nobody with any knowledge ever though L.A. was really an option. But not to worry, I did that for you. Lordy the braves are waaaaay ahead of the curve in finding talent. year in year out its the same and those dudes post and produce. Just here for Mets fans comments. Use without license or authorization is expressly prohibited. Sure, but then what if in those 2 years he continues putting up league-high K-rates, gets Cy votes (or wins), AS selections that increases his value exponentially, if he even wants to extend at that point. Same is true for Strider, this deal doesnt include or exclude those pre-arb bonuses. You are going in with an assumption that he will absolutely get it. So Ill do another one for you since you didnt like my Fried example. Strider burst on the scene this year as he posted a 2.67 ERA with 202 strikeouts over 31 appearances (20 starts), becoming the first Braves rookie in the Modern Era to have a 200-strikeout season. This Strider deal might be the most risky considering his short track record and the fragility of pitching in general, but its not for an amount that would hamstring the team. Career Earnings: View Spencer Strider 's Teammates Salaries Current Contract: The point isnt whether this ends up being a bad deal, its that it follows bad process. I agree, Dorothy. I agree. Strider is now expected to join the Braves Opening Day roster in 2022. They shouldve gotten at least 3 guaranteed free agent years plus an option year for that kind of heavy payout, and even then its unnecessarily risky for the team compared to other early career extensions. To my point, if we arent sure Friend and Burnes will make $27.5M, why would anyone guarantee it to a rookie with next to no track record, when the over is so little. The Braves payed for what they wish Strider turns into, but reality says he will never post those numbers again.Maybe Im wrong, but thats a big gamble on the back of 2/3 of a season. If you do not allow these cookies, you will experience less targeted advertising. Strider has improved his reputation this season. Story put up a 112 OPS+ and 26.8 bWAR in the 6 seasons leading up to his deal with the Red Sox. Swanson 11.2 WAR. Spencer Strider is still a rookie for the Atlanta Braves, but he has the potential to advance to the major leagues. Braves righty Spencer Strider has been put on the 15-day injured list with a strained oblique muscle. Shouldnt you still be ranting about how the Division race was over in May? Good thing Shane Spencer wasnt on the Braves for 2 months this season, they wouldve given him $100m. It doesnt pertain to him except for bonus money. Strider, 24 later this month, will earn $1MM both in 2023 and 2024. Product executive enabling intelligent decisions through enriching and enhancing data and delivering it in awesome products. Theres risk for sure, but if AA is doing it (hes been notoriously risk-aversive since arriving) Im giving him the benefit of the doubt. My hope is an in-market streaming option arrives by next April. Well put DMC. 2 things: Scherzer isnt aging crap but it was one bad Wild Card game plus losing that pivotal start vs. ATL (he gave up 6 HR in his final 2 starts (inc. WC game) when he gave up only 13 HR all reg season). Thats more than just the best rookie season ever. Youre the one who seems to be carried away w/your attempts to belittle Strider. These rookies contracts are just starting to be the front office getting over their skis and thinking they cant screw up. Right?? Copyright 2000-2023 Sports Reference LLC. And him being top 2 in the ROY balloting has no bearing on his service time because the Braves never tried to manipulate it. The sum he agreed to when being selected by MLB teams has not been made public. I think thats not quite that straightforward. The Book: Playing the Percentages in Baseball, Salaries may not be complete (especially pre-1985) and may not include some earned bonuses. Great for Strider too, because he locks in generational guaranteed money. The Braves have no SS prospects at the upper mil levels. Walk rate down to a career low while his K rate is basically at a career high. The Padres have about $57MM on the 28 books between Manny Machado and Fernando Tatis Jr., while the Rangers have about $51MM on the books between Corey Seager and Marcus Semien. Degrom was 29 in his first arbitration year coming off a season no where near as dominant as Strider. Subscribe to Stathead Baseball: Get your first month FREEYour All-Access Ticket to the Baseball Reference Database. And 2.003 years is nowhere near enough to qualify as a Super Two. Well, the rich smart teams. Thats only one example, but theres so much more risk on the free agent market (especially when looking for TOR arms) than locking up someone that could slot into that. Strider took the mound to start . in Columbus, OH As long as the rain holds off on the east coast, we have a nine-game slate in MLB DFS beginning at 4:05 p.m. EDT on DraftKings. SALARY Bo Bichette, SS, TOR. He has recorded 10 or more strikeouts in a game six times this season, including twice this month -- striking out 16 against the Colorado Rockies on Sept. 1, and 10 in his most recent start Sunday against the Phillies. So $250M from a team in Texas is worth $175M, while the offer from the Yankees or Mets for $250M is worth only $150M due to the tax difference. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2955053-mlb-predictions-2022-updated-win-loss-projections-for-every-team, https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/2022-mlb-predictions-expert-picks-for-division-winners-and-world-series-champion-ahead-of-opening-day/, Thanks RunDMC, that is pretty lousy that Amy writer had the Mets ahead of the defending WS champions. Without the extension, Strider would have been eligible for free agency after the '27 season. $25M (2028 Option), If he blew the lid off previous seasons with year-to-year, it would be like, $1M (2023) Spencer Strider is currently the starting pitcher position for the Atlanta Braves in Major League Baseball, the senior baseball league of the United States. Spencer Strider had 202 strikeouts last season and 202 strikeouts over his career. LOL best rookie season ever. Then you wont be signing him. Team Date Transaction; November 14, 2022: Atlanta Braves activated RHP Spencer Strider. But Wont cripple the team either way & theyve locked up a young core. (101-61, 1st place in NL East). Well strider pitched last year too. Strider finished this year with a year and 3 days of service time. Time will tell whether Max Fried and Dansby Swanson also factor into the teams long-term plans. The team has 15 players, none of which are Swanson, taking up $180M of their payroll in 2023. Nats should be happy Soto turned down that contract. That kind of evaluation has gotten the Tigers and Red Sox stuck w/those two. Love the hugely inaccurate arb numbers by posters on here. Baez has been one of three most over rated players. If you want to be a continuing part of this Braves dynasty, youll need to give us a discount. The Braves and Mets both won 101 games. Thats $25 mil. Its not their young pitching, its pitching in general. But most importantly it sets bad precedent for the rest of the league for one team to save a few million dollars. He is doing well in his personal life as well. For a full look at the Braves' 2022 postseason schedule, click here. Hes played every regular season game but 2 over the last 3 years. He is getting more then 3 years. Makes it much harder to trade him away too with such a high salary in those years. Rich teams have figured this out. Not sure what your point is, but throwing 100 mph doesnt mean crap for a number of reasons, one there are guys like Mauricio Cabrera:, Bruce Rondn, Henry Alberto Rodriguez:, Joel Zumaya:, Tayron Guerrero, Bobby Parnell, who have touched 103 mph and none have made anywhere near that money and all had problems turning velocity into results. Baez put up a 108 OPS+ and 23.7 bWAR in the 6 seasons leading up to his deal with the Tigers. But the Braves battled and leapfrogged the Mets in early October to win the division. A visual look at how Spencer Strider ranks across the league, conference, division, and team. When Cleveland was playing TB, they had lunchtime games. Thats $57M add his one year of included free agency for $35M ($40M is bridge too far for me, sorry) and you have $92M roughly for 6 years. Now they have him locked in through 2028 with extremely team friendly option in 2029. the only reason they have been able to sign this massive core of players is because theyre taking risks and signing them very early. CBA has no affect on arb money because the union wouldnt let a segment of their members benefit in terms of general contract negotiations. I believe 2027 is the final year of that infamous TV deal that hasnt been the cash cow many other lesser franchises have benefitted from. Thats the point but take it personal. The Braves' 2022 season has been nothing short of impressive. THIRD BASE Nolan Arenado, 3B, STL. Yes, it would be more pricey that way, but its worth it to mitigate the good majority of the risk. Then he will still have one more arb year after that. Not a fan of it, but thats the way it works. He quickly established himself as one of the teams hardest fastball players. Strider returned from his injury in 2020 and was later picked in the fourth round of the MLB 2020 draft by the Atlanta Braves, with whom he eventually signed a contract. Its still a win for both player and team, but the glut of long-term deals does inflate the Braves luxury ledger more quickly than a year-by-year approach would. Its all the projections every year. He had two pre-arb years left and then 3 arb years before the extension. Yes a 2.67 ERA is better then a 2.27 ERA. ================================ Buying out those arbitration years is key to these deals imo. To an SP, well, it seems awfully risky. $1M (2024) Prior to this deal, the five-year, $35MM contract Madison Bumgarner signed with the Giants more than a decade ago stood as the record extension for a pitcher with between one and two years of service time. That is between 2 and 3 years. The game will be on WBAL/98 Rock with Geoff Arnold and Ben McDonald. Short and skinnier pitchers dont hold up well, as a general rule. More importantly, has anybody ever heard of Chris Davis? Actually they did.. Youre ignoring hes going to be Top 3 in the ROY so hes going to get granted an extra year of service time. I expect to see him elsewhere next year. $12.5 million a year is nothing in 2022 MLB. SARASOTAWhat's happening? This is the opposite of the Acuna and Albies deals, this wasnt just stupid for the Braves, it will hurt every small market team who will no longer be able to lock up their young players to team friendly deals, so they can remain competitive. Explain to me the worth in that? Since Strider stayed on the roster the whole year, his ROY placement (1st or 2nd) would only matter in terms of his team being able to add an extra mid-round draft pick for the Braves between the 1st and 2nd rounds as part of the new compensation for keeping top rated players on the roster from opening day forward.. No matter what, Strider is going to bank a full year of service in 2022, for anyone saying he will go to arbitration four times as a Super 2, the only way that would happen is if he sucked so bad in the next two years that he was optioned for 3 weeks to AAA for him to figure stuff out. $20M (2027) Nothing disingenuous about that. There are so many reasons this could go bad and we arent even talking about the new pitch clock, the pickoff throw rules, and other changes to the game itself. Its not close. If he got close to sniffing free agency, he would have demanded two or three times what we are going to be paying him. Especially not when youre right, lol. Mets 6986: Three days at seasons end and 2.1 innings pitched by Strider in 2021. He also only had 10 starts. But they know that by having a huge core of players, their total risk will decrease and one or two could be replaced with gem finds at trade deadlines like AA is known for. So the only time he could qualify for Super 2 status is after 2023. Cohen would give his first born to have Strider. Missing 1 seasons worth of games over the length of it (this doesnt seem that hard to imagine with pitchers being pitchers) makes this go from ok to bad real quick. @Pads Fans Interesting point. somewhere in the 100-115 range over 6 years. Yanks2- If one argues that, their critical thinking skills would be worthy of criticism. Cant see AA letting him leave and downgrading the roster when theyre so competitive at every other lineup spot except left field. Again, he IS a Super Two. Be disappointed if you are going to be anything Braves fans because soon youll see when he falls short of expectations, which is anything short of him becoming Pedro Martinez and hes no Pedro! Look at post-season history over the last twenty or thirty years, and youll see the Braves usually getting the day games. Generally not a fan of BTVs valuations, and your comment that the site is a general reference for trade values followed by They are off on a lot of things is a solid reason why I believe the site shouldnt be used as a factual source. (adsbygoogle=window.adsbygoogle||[]).push({}); Ralph Kiner estimated Net Worth, Biography, Age, Height, Dating, Relationship Records, Salary, Income, Cars, Lifestyles & many more details have been updated below. Cano signed with Seattle, the Mets were just dumb enough to trade for him. Salary, Earnings Spencer Strider undoubtedly earns a substantial sum of money from his sole career in baseball. The standard Super Two pay scale for him for his remaining years is: $0.7M (league minimum) The Albies deal is a massive savings, Acuna nearly as much. Similar thing happened last year when LAD needed to replace Corey Seagers offense by sliding Muncy over and signing Freeman at half the price. The main difference is, Swanson still appears to be in his prime, while Baez was 2 seasons removed from it (and counting) as of the 2021-22 offseason, not to mention his catastrophic 2020 season, and leading the NL in Ks at the point he was dealt to the Mets and the attendant risks of that, plus his foolishness while on the Mets. Lol at a Met fan claiming another teams farm system pitcher turns into.garbage. Say hello to the countless Met pitchers that have done exactly that. Julio Rodriguez still gets money for finishing 2nd in the HR Derby, gets money for being an All-Star, more money for being the Rookie of the Year, more money for probably winning a Silver Slugger, and then more money based on how much of the total rookie WAR was made up of his nearly 5.5 to 6 WAR season (they have their own calculator for WAR that is not exactly like fWAR or bWAR). His salary will jump to $20 million in '26 and then rise to $22 million for both of the next two seasons. Its an expensive extension by prior standards, but as I noted in the finalized version of our breakdown, the prior standards were beyond antiquated. By all the offensive players Im assuming youre only referring to Harris? Plenty that rep for other teams. Theyll probably lose even more money on those years than they gain with the discount on the one or two free agent years, which probably would only be worth $30M max per season even if everything goes mostly right for him. His salary will jump to $4 million in 2025, $20 million in 20216 and $22 million in 2027 and 2028. 3.04 ERA 8.7 K/9. Had the Yankees given Miguel Andujar the same treatment after the 2018 season, we would be having a completely different discussion. Cant see that happening. Spencer Strider is still a rookie in the Atlanta Braves, but he's got the potential to become a professional. Draft: Drafted by the Cleveland Indians in the 35th round of the 2017 MLB June Amateur Draft from Christian Academy of Knoxville (Knoxville, TN) and the Atlanta Braves in the 4th round of the 2020 MLB June Amateur Draft from Clemson University (Clemson, SC). Im sure Ill get roasted with comments on letting Shewmake run with SS but Im trying to be reasonable. Im doing the same at the end of October. Hope you enjoyed this seasons episode of LOLMets Choketober and made the appropriate notation in whatever book you refer to in your user name, the book of hurt I assume. Lame. Google elude. And Gerrit Cole with the Angels. Noah Syndergaards arb years: $3M (2018), $6M (2019), $9.7M x 2 (2020 & 2021). He will finish 2023 with 2 years and 3 days of service time not even close to the top 22% of players in his class. No Gavin Lux -- big problem. View a free real draft analysis of a fantasy baseball league featuring 12 teams in a STD format. One thing is certain: he divides his time between the four MLB teams. Then add in the two FA years the Braves control at $22 million each, and this deal is great for the Braves. He had a 5-2 record with a 4.71 ERA, allowing 53 hits, 38 walks, and 89 strikeouts. They lost in the playoffs, winning 101 games isnt a collapse. He should call Chaim Bloom and give him instructions. Some thoughtful Dodgers guys on here too. When multiple players including likely Judge, Turner, and Correa surpass 7 years with a $35 MM AAV will you come back and say you were wrong? Braves fans will be the first ones screaming when all these long term signing dont work out and the team starts getting hamstrung. Im curious how the bonuses would impact arbitration. They're projected to have a league-high $61.7 million in salary-cap space, . You dont need to extend Grissom. They played their home games at Truist Park (Park Factors: 114/116) where 3,129,931 fans witnessed their 2022 Braves finish the season with a .623 winning percentage. This was risky to me as well. And we're still kind of mulling over what's the right thing for us and him and how to use him.. His slap happy approach at the plate seems very much at odds w/the Braves patient, high exit velocity hitting philosophy. On the surface it seems like the Braves have made several excellent long-term deals with young talent. Use Fried as an example who might make roughly $40 mil through arb in total. His first full year starting he had a 4.02 ERA. While I did admire Matt Harvey in his early prime he really did a lot of stupid things. He has only 1 All-Star appearance, 2 Gold Gloves, and 1 Silver Slugger. The Braves completed a remarkable late-season rally to capture the top spot in the NL East for the fifth straight season. It very well could be a bad deal for his team if he cant continue the level of dominance he showed this year or has constant injury problems. "My goal is always to outperform any expectations," Strider said. The Braves are taking the approach knowing that not all of these deals will pay out, including Striders. If Swanson signs a $110-115MM extension, hes probably leaving at least $40MM on the table. Braves may as well just blow past the tax. The contract will cost him $92 million if he exercises his option for seven years. This website is not directly or indirectly affiliated, associated, or connected in any way to Major League Baseball, the National Basketball Association, the National Football League or the National Hockey League. probably not. Your justification for the contract makes no sense. Estimate 2023 Retained Salaries Leftover salaries from players who have been traded or released, or buyouts for declined options. Spencer Strider signed a 6 year / $75,000,000 contract with the Atlanta Braves, including $75,000,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $12,500,000. On the other hand, a subscription to Apple TV+ is remarkably cheap, comparatively: $4.99 a month or $49.99 a year. establishing the players relationship through goodwill too for the future. Then blew it against the Braves and then against the Pads. By RotoWire Staff. Dont know what thats worth, but its not nothin. Luckily for . Braves manager Brian Snitker wasnt ready to say whether Strider might be used as an opener, a reliever or possibly fill both roles during the best-of-five series against the Phillies. These cookies are necessary for the website to function and cannot be switched off in our systems. Hell be paid a $4MM salary in 2025 before jumping to $20MM in 2026 and $22MM in 2027 and 2028. He was on the major league roster all season. Using multiple accounts on the same thread shows a much bigger disconnection from reality. Corbin Burnes going into year 5, second arb season (1 year of control after 2023) is due to make $11.3M in his second to last trip through arbitration. The Gerrit Cole contract ($36M/year) is looking to become an albatross on the backend and we have to remember the cost to live in New York is crazy high, so even a parallel deal in most cities would be 10-20% cheaper.
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