If they were interchangeable why would there be a number on it? Thirdly, in a picture of Olympic, taken during her 1912/13 refit following the Titanic disaster, this allegedly shows this vessel not to have the 'tell-tale plating' joint, which to 'switch' proponents proves 'conclusively' that the hull pictured is that of Titanic although the name Olympic is clearly visible on both sides of the bow. 19343. Let us know if you have suggestions to improve this article (requires login). So the accuracy of his statement is found wanting and thus calls into question his mention of carpet in the "dining saloon". and came to the conclusion that while elements of Fenton's background can be validated Frank Finch's letter paraphrases what his son Dennis recalled from a conversation he had in the early 1970s with an old sailor named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig": Dennis Fench, who relayed the story told to him by "Paddy the Pig". 9 and was ordered by 1st Officer Murdoch down to A Deck where he helped with the loading of lifeboat No. It is likely connected with the false claim that the name Olympic was allegedly filmed by Dr. Ballard during his 1986 dive to the wreck -proven to be false in point no.38 here. Ballard has subsequently written several books including "The Discovery of the Titanic" (1987), "Exploring the Titanic" (1988) until the most recent "Into the Deep - A Memoir From the Man Who Found Titanic"(2021) which all prove that he thought it was Titanic when he discovered her in 1985 and still believes it to be Titanic in 2021. But this should not misconstrued as anything unusual, but common practice for a company which suddenly comes under media scrutiny and wants to maintain The full speed of the ship is 78 revolutions. 18. By that time Olympic was at Belfast and underwent a major refit which also included new davits and new lifeboats which were larger than the previous lifeboats.". In fact, according to American researcher Jon Hollis, the bell recovered 29. When they were not working, they were in the pub, drinking and talking. This is where Gardiner's theory starts to get even more bizarre. This is consistent with the damage previously sustained by Olympic. LET'S SEE THE "EXPERTS" DEBUNK THIS ONE." There is nothing here on which to base a 'switch' theory. 14. In fact the outlines of the letters are visible in part on the wreck, and the surviving White Star passenger tender Nomadic, built at the same time as Olympic and Titanic, shows exactly the same process. In fact his comment was made at least 30 years after the disaster (he was 20 while aboard Titanic), so could well have been an exaggeration. Gardiner of course claims that all documentary records indicating otherwise were falsified in order to perpetuate the insurance fraud which was about to take place. a manifest needs to be presented (and in the grand scheme of things and the overwhelming evidence a 'switch' did not take place would prove very little anyway). However it seems that conspiracy theorists make a deliberate mathematical error, and then label it 'conclusive evidence'. Numerous ships were stationed nearby despite a coal strike The proceeds financed his journey that year to Cambodia, where he reported on the Khmer Rouge, and then to Vietnam, where he witnessed the fall of Saigon (now Ho Chi Minh City) in April 1975. But you do not need any imagination when you view a rather conclusive image that reveals that the 'patchwork' on the wreck does not match the location of the actual damage on the Olympic: Photograph of RMS Olympic showing the location of the damage. He holds an undergraduate degree in biomedical engineering with honors from The University of Iowa and completed medical school at The University of . However, as discussed in point 36 (below), almost certainly James Fenton was not aboard Titanic as he claimed. Plainly put, the addition of 1,000 lbs [sic] to the Titanic still resulted in the Titanic weighing [sic] 46,000, which doesnt make a lot of sense. 44. Wheelton, however, continues down to the storeroom and then went again up to the boat deck on the starboard side. In 1912 Paddy [claimed he] was a 22-year- her full speed if the weather cooperated. We asked them the height of the berg and some said one hundred feet, others, sixty feet; one of the onlookers a motor engineer travelling to America with a model Also, Fireman John Thompson said: I was told the ship was making close to twenty-three knots when she hit. Chirnside and Halpern discovered that "Titanics 546 mile run from noon Saturday to noon Sunday would be her best posted 'Faux' as in false or imitation. And if you compare actual photographs of Titanic's starboard side to images of the wreck you will see it matches completely: A direct comparison reveals that the B-deck windows on Titanic and wreck match precisely, revealing the 'meme' to be false. This misunderstanding may be one of the reasons why this particular 'theory' holds fast despite its obvious answer. Birma (70 miles) Russian East Asiatic Company Eastbound, New York-Rotterdam-Libau something else, in this case an IMM rescue ship that was drifting with its lights out. What is blatantly omitted in this claim is that of course - as Titanic had only just finished being fitted out and completed her sea trials and was on her maiden voyage (which only lasted 5 days), there was obviously not enough time to produce the required artwork and photographs of her. So in fact rather than proving a 'switch,' exploration of this suite only confirms that it is indeed Titanic that sank. And the Olympic is actually the Titanic. 1. Ice on the deck was not from an iceberg This particular claim began when Robin Gardiner stated in his book that when the name on the bow of the Titanic wreck was cleared of rust (allegedly filmed by Dr. Ballard during his 1986 dive to the wreck), the raised letters 'M, P & Y' were visible. Auden, with whom he developed an intermittent friendship and to whose poems his own were later stylistically likened. Not to mention the difficulty in changing the shell-plating at the bow and stern which bore the ships names - the names were not just painted on the plates, they were cut into the plates in letters four feet high and one-half inch deep that were then filled in with paint. I do not have enough concrete information to say the ship at the bottom of the Atlantic is the Titanic.". He always maintained that the iceberg alone did not sink Titanic, that it had a fire burning in the coal bunkers for a week and that the Captain and the company knew about it. Claim: J. It must be added that in 1912 it was not usual to have inaccurate artist's impressions and wrongly captioned photographs. Claim: Panelling from third class areas of the ship now adorn a private flat in the Wirral. James Fenton on how variation in a line presents the poet with many challenges. Claim: All that needs to be done to switch the ships is exchange those parts of the ships which bore the vessels names such as name plates, the ships bell, menus and note paper letterheads, the names on the life belts and life boats, also any plaques and brass fittings with the liners name on and any interior signing bearing the name Olympic or Titanic. After a million men had walked out for 37 days the government intervened and ended the strike by passing a minimum wage law. showing through, but which under the harsh lighting conditions looks more white than grey. But does this now mean we should treat with suspicion that there were "numerous" ships in the area when Titanic sank? were being made to further increase the ships speed. Clutch my hand. damage control, especially prior to an official inquiry.if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'titanicswitch_com-banner-1','ezslot_2',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-titanicswitch_com-banner-1-0'); Claim: Harold Sanderson, from shipbuilder Harland and Wolff, repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic at the British inquiry. Titanic's sea trials were shorter than Olympic's The Government man read the crew the Official Secrets The vessel which sailed out of Southampton on 10 April 1912 can only have been a 45,000 ton ship with the last minute addition of 1,000 tons of GRT in her B Deck public rooms and enclosed area on A Deck. Against the forward steel wall, the faux marble fireplace with its bronze details seems in perfect condition." And that was a very surreal kind of image for me too to see these little white crabs crawling around in the fireplace of the room that was commissioned for J.P.Morgan. However, this was not unique to Titanic. Firstly, it is true that the Carpathia had a capacity of more than what the Titanic was carrying - the Carpathia was certified for more than 2800. Albert Edward James* -Able bodied seaman Hosgood, R. -Fireman Hosking, G. F. -Senior third engineer . Surviving crew signed the Official Secrets Act, 35. However this claim goes with the assumption that the White Star Line was suffering financially. For a company that has miraculously been able to switch ships including hundreds of thousands of numbers on the back of wooden panels, without anyone knowing, this seems a rather farfetched and unlikely plan. However, if the panelling had been from Olympic the number would have been 400 not 401." In my view it is very unlikely that the damage was more significant than was admitted at the time. Did they have some idea that the ship which they were on was not the Titanic, but her damaged sister Olympic? Promenade Suites, identical to Olympic's. Paddy said that the guilt of not go to sea as Titanic with Olympic written on the bells. Only a limited number of changes required for a switch 6. Titanic was not open for the press and public inspection So technically Titanic did not "weigh" 46,328 tons - that was her gross tonnage (GT) or volume. Quite clearly the B-deck forward starboard windows are narrow - matching the wreck exactly. Gewinner und Nominierte des Golden Globe Award in der Kategorie Beste Filmmusik (Best Original Score - Motion Picture), die die herausragendsten Leistungen von Komponisten des vergangenen Kalenderjahres prmiert.Die Kategorie wurde im Jahr 1948 ins Leben gerufen. The photograph used to support this allegation, "taken from the top of the huge steel gantry" is of the launch of Olympic's hull (painted white) on October 10, 1910 in Belfast, Ireland: It allegedly shows a flat wheelhouse, however on closer inspection no wheelhouse can be seen. These above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in the length of Titanic name's hinting at a cover-up. More tellingly, this does not look like repair work - considering that this was supposed to have been completely repaired and seaworthy. According to Steve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book "Titanic or Olympic, Which Ship Sank?" The special effects of the . Claim: How can a ship with a bent keel go on to serve 24 years (1911-1935) without being fully repaired? It is pure speculation about a 'switch' that did not happen. Upon graduation in 1970, Fenton embarked upon a career as a freelance journalist and was hired (1971) to report on literature and politics for the New Statesman. by passengers and crew familiar with the Olympic? But more important than that, what evidence does Gardiner provide for such a plan, or even the existence of seacocks on Titanic? Secondly, there was a rush to get the ship to Southampton to begin provisioning for the maiden voyage. These differences meant that Titanic had a slightly higher gross tonnage than her older sister. Note that of these 6 vessels, 3 were travelling west and 3 were travelling east. This claim is of course connected to the previous claim that the ship hit, instead of an iceberg, an IMM rescue ship that was drifting with its lights out. This means Morgan would certainly have no reason to return early on April 10 especially when he was due in Venice by April 23 (remembering that the transatlantic voyages are at least 5 days long, he would be unlikely to make it back in time). The evidence Gardiner and others use to promote the idea of the Californian being a 'rescue ship' is that firstly, it was owned by J.P. Morgan (a "major figure at White Star"), left London in a hurry (as it could only do 12 knots and had to get there first) and was mysteriously sailing during a coal strike (when coal would have been more expensive) . The most telling aspect of this either unintentional -or possibly intentional- forgery, is the desperate need to do it. Only a limited number of changes required for a switch, 8. Researchers Bill Sauder and Parks Stephenson have come to the conclusion that in fact the dining room was not carpeted. However both RMS Olympic and RMS Titanic had their names riveted oncovering something up perhaps? (Click to enlarge). Visit Fenton's special Poetry Archive webpage and listen to recordings of him reading the poems 'Wind', 'Blood and Lead', 'Jerusalem', and 'In Paris with You'. Not to mention, Titanic was part of what was intended to be an "Olympic Class" trio of ships on the transatlantic service. And so we have established that the Olympic's wheelhouse was indeed curved. It would have been a press scoop. Without this, such an allegation can simply be filed under 'hearsay. It was also carrying no passengers, at a time when due to the coal strike and so many ships confined to port there would be plenty of people eager to pay above the cost in cash to get to Boston. Refer to the images below. But unsurprisingly in 2019 a new 'meme' appeared on the internet claiming to show evidence from the wreck site that repair work done to Olympic caused by the Hawke collision can be seen in wreck photographs, captioned with "YOU NEED PROOF? Claim: Eyewitnesses themselves describe running along Titanics decks, but where they said there were promenades, there should have been cabins. But also there would be no need to. However, it is definitely not logical. Dr. Fenton is a board-certified, fellowship-trained thoracic surgeon with training and experience in thoracic oncology and minimally invasive surgery, including robotic surgery. Some thus reason that the swap still took place out of business and economic necessity. 30. It is a wild claim based purely on imagination. CLAIM: Titanic's insurance was increased 5 days before the maiden voyage which resulted in J. P. Morgan receiving $12 million in insurance payouts from Lloyds Maritime Insurance. Gardiner argues that when on the port side boat No. If 'switch' conspiracy theorists believe this is the smoking gun of a switch Difference in tonnage 7. His father, a hotel proprietor and licensed victualler, was also born in Portsmouth whilst his mother was a native of Alfriston, Sussex. This line of reasoning goes with the assumption that Olympic's keel was damaged, for which there is no evidence as discussed in the point above. (Click image to enlarge). On the panels the number 400 is stencilled, but on the frames the number 401 is clearly visible. How many crew and passengers were onboard prior to the rescue? Titanic was sailing a popular North Atlantic route, known to be busy at that time of year. They would only be interested in shorter crossings. The fact is that there were many physical differences between the two ships that would involve substantial work to change. their attention to it, and they all watched it disappear, but had then at once resumed 39. even higher than IMMs.". furniture and panelling was better that the Olympic is not accurate; furnishings and paneling aboard Titanic were, with the exception of unique rooms such as the This is not heard in the documentary and so Steve Hall is mis-quoted as if he is summarising the entire 'switch' situation, when his comment was actually directly in relation to the wreck - not the theory in its entirety. - Lookout Reginald Lee at the British Inquiry (Day 4) ice " fall inboard. Courtesy Steve Hall. Another key component of the 'switch' theory is to state that damage to HMS Hawke was much more substantial. boilers were on. Importantly, Ballard has written several books between 1987 - 2021 and all state in no uncertain terms that he discovered the Titanic - not the Olympic. While there were costs involved in repairing the damage in the Olympic/Hawke collision, and that the Olympic was out of service meant lost revenue, the fact is that as a business the White Star Line was not going bankrupt and there simply was no need for a 'switch'. After the Titanic disaster this all changed. Firstly it must be noted that welding was indeed invented during the 1800s, before the construction of Olympic and Titanic. Claim: Survivors on B Deck described seeing lifeboats being lowered from above, theres no way they would have seen that on Titanic only on the ship Olympic. Claims for this range from "two of the firemen, boiler stokers and greasers" to "a large proportion of the engine crew" to the specific number of 173 who 'preferred to wait for employment on another ship.' According to Gardiner, the original plan to pull off the sinking after the switch was to slowly flood the ship by opening the seacocks. Even if that simple fact is not enough, the other alleged details regarding the Californian are being misrepresented. Titanic, although only just superceding her sister in size, was no longer big news and so the public and media were not as interested in her maiden voyage as that of her sister. The closest we have is when he is questioned about the binoculars and is asked: 19342. 35. Fitting out photographs Let's examine an 'actual' documented photograph of Titanic's starboard forward B-deck: Titanic's starboard side, taken around noon on April 11th, 1912, as she is anchored outside Queenstown, Ireland, to take on passengers. "Wind", the opening poem in James Fenton's Yellow Tulips: Poems 1968-2011, was written over 30 years ago, but could be about any natural disaster or environmental crisis, and most of today's wars . Secondly, there are many eyewitness accounts and descriptions of an iceberg. According to Britannica.com "on April 11, 1912, the Carpathia departed from New York City for Fiume, carrying some 740 passengers." Now, almost thirty years later, the director has one major regret regarding his depiction of a significant character in the movie. Specifically, her passenger (excluding crew) capacity was listed as 2,550: 1st-class: 100 principal constituent of IMM and enjoyed continued prosperity, its profit If a 'switch' was true, why would you need to create a 'meme' that is demonstrably false, by switching an 'actual' image of Titanic with the Olympic? 46. Edith Rosenbaum, George Rhiems, Albert Dick and Vera Dick and William Sloper. Paddy also said (http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com). performance, only two miles shy of Olympics best ever maiden voyage daily run, and she did that with only 21 off the bell. and this slipped to $4,509,270 in 1911. It is not surprising that even Frank Finch doubted the third-hand story he relayed. - Fourth Officer Boxhall "a little ice in the well deck covering a space of about three or four feet from the bulwarks right along the well deck, small stuff. (British Enquiry,Day 13) The reality is that the Californian's cargo manifest does not exist. This is completely false. (for more information see here). Further volumes of poetry included Out of Danger (1994), which won the Whitbread Book Award (now the Costa Book Award); Selected Poems (2006), a Penguin anthology of his work; and Yellow Tulips: Poems 19682011 (2012), an even broader survey containing previously uncollected verse. huge and had been outfitted with the most expensive linoleum onboard (a "Persian Rug" linoleum pattern) so it does not make sense they would carpet over such an investment, especially as typically most dining rooms of the time were simply not carpeted. Was the confusion because they had been switched? He had called I can see no credible evidence of discolouration that would be proof positive of repair work, especially in the specific location where the Hawke penetrated Olympic's hull. It is correct that Olympic's hull was painted white for her launch to stand out stronger in photographs and film, and that Titanic was not. ", The evolution of Titanic's port side portholes -from May 1911 when she was launched with 14, to April 1912 when she had 16. Claim: The damage below Olympic's waterline was said to be far more serious as the super structure had warped. 9. After studying at the Chorister School in Durham, where he performed with the cathedrals renowned choir, he attended the Repton School and the British Institute of Florence. rumours of an insurance scam, they would serve a minimum of 20 years in jail was 60 years old at the time of the sinking, and was examined on Day 17 of the British Wreck Commissioner's Inquiry. Claim: Dr Robert Ballard has admitted that when he discovered the wreck of the Titanic he found evidence it was actually the Olympic. So higher or sealed bulkheads would not necessarily have prevented Titanic from sinking, While there is some slight confusion over which ship he is referring to "coming from Belfast to Southampton" there is certainly no evidence here of trying to conceal the identity of the two ships. In Titanic's case, it was likely due to improper ballasting--too much on the port side or too little on the starboard. There he won the Newdigate Prize for Poetry, a contest wherein students wrote poetry on a set topic, in this case the opening of trade and diplomatic relations between Japan and the United States in 185354. At present I have found no evidence of a room named "The Olympic Room" on Titanic, however it would not be surprising. His theatre reviews were later collected as You Were Marvellous (1983). Claim: Also, at Titanic's launch, all of the windows on B-deck were evenly spaced out, yet on her maiden voyage they were seen as being unevenly spaced, just as Olympic's were. 19345. The wreck clearly has a flat wheelhouse and hence it must be Titanic. He also confirmed that the ship was doing seventy-five revolutions, not 80 as was possible. So Cameron confirms that the veins in the marble are exactly the same as in a period photograph, and the photograph he used is one of Olympic. the game. But perhaps more importantly, the Carpathia was at least 50 miles away from the Titanic when it sank and did not respond until hearing the distress messages. saw a lot of iceon the deck This is the 'meme' here: Ignoring the 'all caps', childish and somewhat emotional captioning, the key part of the image used is indeed from official wreck photographs. But what do the 'experts' think? 38. Corrections? Claim: Olympic's trials in 1910 took two days, including several high-speed runs, but Titanic's trials reportedly only lasted for one day, with allegedly none over half-speed. Hence post-Titanic-sinking images of Olympic also have this 16 porthole configuration. Difference in Titanic's name plate Harold Sanderson repeatedly referred to, 44. Even if the insurance would not pay out the $750,000, IMM This is demonstrably false information. This is where it landed, just on that forewell deck. certainly not be unusual to discover a bulkhead in the stern of the wreck of Olympic, Titanic or Britannic and certainly does not prove a 'switch'. "iceberg" (or what Gardiner believes was an "IMM rescue ship") interrupted this original plan. 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