The IFB church I attend preaches cleaning the heart not performing works. Hypocrites! If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. (Acts 2:42), It is a betrayal of the unity of believers based upon sound doctrine of the historic Christian Faith. And yet, they honor the Scofield Bible!!! The New Testament church should be an independent church. Its method of operation is subversive. (Acts 2:41-47; 1 Corinthians 12:12,18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; Hebrews 10:23-25), Scripture mandates two offices for the local church: Pastor and Deacon. anything that even remotely appears to be worldly means that you arent being separate, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 44. Freedom of choice demands personal responsibility. People need Jesuswhats the big deal? Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? So I did. If you think anything what the churches teach about salvation is easy believing this is not true in our congregation. 28. Because of your traditions you have destroyed the authority of Gods word. Gods will was for me to forgive. Like I said, Im doing repair work. Since the origins of the church, Baptists have said the Bible is the only authority for Christian faith If the devil is going to attack, he will attack the family and the church first. Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. For you say that it means nothing to swear by Gods Temple, but that it is binding to swear by the gold in the Temple. 17 Blind fools! Most pastors skip virtue, usually because they just dont know any better. The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 55. Scripture is Good! If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. We dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. Marriage for two people that want to make a life together is biblical. Many Christians believe some of these distinctives, but true Baptists believe them all. Looks like youve forgotten to include haircuts (length and style of hair). The members were so sweet to us. I dont believe the IFB church I go to has ulterior motives, but I havent been to any other church to apply that to all IFB churches. WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. We cant save people, only God can. No member shall There are a couple places but, they're all pretty much much secular and worldly. Generally its the Pastor, or Preaching Elder or Minister, that has to attend multiple services because he has to preach the sermon. All youve done in your last paragraph is parrot typical IFB talking points no substance there, just regurgitation. Mental health issues are just another health issue people have. We believe that Satan is a created angelic being who rebelled and who tempted man to join him in rebellion against God (Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; Genesis 3:1-5). I also KNOW the areas that Hes not pleased with as I choose to hold on to that which the Bible clearly states as sin. the Bible teaches us to prove and test matters. As I sit under preaching, sing worship songs unto the Lord, pray earnestly, read my Bible as often as I can, and search through commentaries to help me gain a deeper knowledge instead of surface reading, I KNOW Im drawing closer to God in a personal relationship with Him. 9. If a child is behaving like a child (i.e., appropriate for his/her age), but you think they are being misbehaving and rebellious, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 40. I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brothers eye. We as a couple decided to do things biblical. Youre perfect for them because they dont want people challenging their belief system. In 1974 Kenneth Chrismans father passed away. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. The Pastor leads, feeds, guides, and guards the church at the direction of Christ. (II Corinthians 12:12; I Corinthians 13:8; Hebrews 2:3-4; Mark 16:17-20; I Corinthians 1:22, 14:21-22). THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. Please dont mistake this for a lack of respect or an attempt to minimize the seriousness of the abuse that happens among the Independent Fundamental Bapitsts. The IFB are Pharisees of our day. Whats wrong with a tract rack? Independent Baptists (a.k.a. If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. I forgot to mention my concerns on some of the other beliefs of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church: First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. If you attend a church each Sunday with a team of men that keeps track of attendence each Sunday In our congregation, we do not do that. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: The churches that teach certain things unrelated to scripture, are a result of what the Bible calls IN THE LAST DAYS. In the last days, people will leave their first love, just as you have left YOUR first love, probably because of a pastor, an arrogant church member, or maybe because of your very own relationship with God, a relationship that is lacking. Ive used tattoos but not permanent ones. Im convinced that its much much deeper than rejecting real truth .. many many come back in southern Baptist churches, but not ifb churches.. what say u. I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. The two are completely unrelated. 36. 23 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Thousands of people, including myself, beg to differ. We believe that the New Testament church is a local assembly of baptized believers who have voluntarily joined themselves toge therto carry out the Great Commission. No, because I have said and thought some things I regret. 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called Rabbi.. 24 Blind guides! You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. I lied just to get government support saying My child and I live alone. Everyone has sent in their life. 3 And why worry about a speck in your friends eye when you have a log in your own? I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. Also no one can hide hypocrisy and iniquity. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: Ephesians 2:8-9 I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. Our pastor dont take any credit he passes praise the church gives to him towards God. Every time I got to a low point in my life, I knew that I could count on the church to be there for me. We sought counseling to see if there was any hope. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. [5], In 2021, the NIFB-affiliated First Works Baptist Church in El Monte, California was bombed with an improvised explosive device. And that boy who has grown up in Sunday School (because I brought him in my car every week) is now in 6th grade and has experienced the concept of unconditional love and promises that are kept things which would otherwise have been foreign. You should read my article on that: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, Dont get me wrong but tithing is still scriptural, even within the New Testament. 7. To the author, I hope youll be okay someday and if you can find a way to dig out that root I think youll find peace. Believers will be caught up to be with the Lord prior to the seven years of tribulation, and at the end of the tribulation Christ will return with His saints to establish His thousand-year reign on the earth (I Thessalonians 4:13-18; Titus 2:13; I Thessalonians 1:10; Revelation 3:10; Zechariah 14:4-11; Revelation 19:11-16, 20:1-6; Psalm 89:3-4). If you went to a church camp where mixed bathing wasnt allowed and every evening there was a 3 hour sermon, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Some of these are humorous and right on the money. Members come into the church personally, individually, and freely. People that oppose things is due to beliefs, so I believe if you oppose the IFB church its because you dont believe what their teaching not because there bitter. If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. Oh well, maybe another discussion. Jesus says that if you love Him, that you will keep His words.. We believe that the only marriage recognized by Scripture is the joining of one man and one woman. (John 3:36; Romans 14:4-12;2 Corinthians 4:2; Titus 1:9), Local church membership is restricted to individuals who give a believable testimony of personal faith in Christ and have publicly identified with Him in believer's baptism. If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! Thats not unique to the IFB. So, are you happy about that, or wanting to change? Im truly sorry for those who were mistreated and sorry if bitterness is hurting you now. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. 24. I dont have a boarden to preform any religious works. If you read any other bible besides the Kjv bible you not sining. Like I said, forgiveness doesnt mean anything other than forgiveness. If you think that more than one earring per ear for women is worldly, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 13. This church is affiliated with the Minnesota Baptist Conference and the Baptist General Conference, and may likewise cooperate with interdenominational fellowships on a voluntary independent basis. Wow, nice list. If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with the Lord with good performance You cant make up for sins nor can salvation be earned. You better be right with God and have your name written in the lambs book of life. I must put it in Jesus Christ. 19. There are some things that the IFB does very well, such as fellowship. Sons of vipers! I can count on one hand the number of IFBs whove asked for a discussion instead of attacking me. Tithing was around since before the Law of Moses. It emphasizes love at the expense of truth. If you run into a church member at the grocery store and see that they have a bottle of wine or maybe a 6-pack of beer in their cart and you struggle over whether you should share this information with your pastor, you might be and independent fundamental Baptist! Thats sweet. Those who judge people like that WILL BE judged the same way, PERIOD. 22 And when you swear by heaven, you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. Many of those things actually do go on at IFB churches, but several of those things are Biblical. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. 21 And when you swear by the Temple, you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. 6 And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. Please trust me when I tell you that your IFB church (as most other IFB churches) is preying on you. All rights reserved. If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. If I have misunderstood I apologize. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Jesus forgives and loves and he also needs to be honored is all respects. Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. If you think that other than suits and ties for men is too casual for Sundays While I dont believe that you must dress up for church with suits and ties, however, I do believe we should honor God in His house by dressing up. 31 But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. We believe that God created the entire universe in six literal, twenty-four-hour days (Genesis 1:1-27). I talk to her about my faith she talks to me about her faith. I love this!! insidious I like that word. 9 And dont address anyone here on earth as Father, for only God in heaven is your Father. Stop this shamefulness, as you hurt the ministry of our Lord. Did you read it? They try there best to live for Christ and to give God the glory for everything. I think its easy to look at the pastor as an authority figure, someone who holds some position above you, but most of them just want that connection with you, they care, they love you, they just want whats best for you. 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But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. If it did then unsaved people wouldnt be able to forgive. You are correct! I wish you had broken up your last paragraph into multiple paragraph everything runs together. The Baptist distinctives are listed below: The Bible is our sole authority for faith and practice. Id rather do the hard work than be a robot though. It teaches parents to use their authority to prod, guide, and correct their children. Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in peoples faces. Oh yes, and he forgot the most important, essential factorrelated to KJV reliancevirtual ignorance of and illiteracy in biblical Hebrew and Greek!!!!!!!! You can read more about it here: https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/, I never said the IFB is a cult because some IFB churches may not be the best. Every person is subject to these authorities, but all (including the authorities themselves) are answerable to God and are governed by His Word. God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. Teaching there is any unforgivable sin besides the sin of unbelief in Jesus Christ is not biblical. If you stay, Im almost certain youll end up regretting it. The Lord's Supper, or Communion, commemorates Christ's broken body and shed blood giving each believer an opportunity for self-examination and rededication. Hypocrites! Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter and unhappy so I honestly feel badly for you. I dare say probably not. You can be a better Christian IF you repent of your sins and turn away from them and if you can grow spiritually. Even though I dont believe the churchs teachings anymore, Im very grateful for the care and support I received from the Baptists growing up. The pastor pointed out (over the course of his long 2 hour sermon LOL) that a shepherd doesnt use a rod and staff to beat his sheep but to prod and guide them. I didnt really say you can get drunk on grape juice but if I did, I might be a little confused. I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. Many on here were saved at a IFB church. Yes. The Bible is inspired and preserved by God and carries His absolute authority. I have read other versions of the Bible. Preachers should not put their congregation under constraint. Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up No, thats silly! Sometimes it makes you wonder if they have EVER read/learned anything from Jesus! Youre supposed to read the word daily, it says give us this day our daily bread. In thinking back, I see that the church was filled with tiny idols like that. Mind your own business. Yes, because he wants to spend a little time with his child. We believe that speaking in tongues was never the common or necessary sign of the baptism or filling of the Holy Spirit and that ultimate deliverance of the body from sickness or death awaits the consummation of our salvation in the resurrection, though God frequently chooses to answer the prayer of believers for physical healing. Israel was the prodical.. judah is the elder son that was jealous of israel.. Study The prodigal son and the two houses of Israel. A church that has tract rack I dont know what they are for but my old church has one for storing hymn books (or hymnals), pew bibles, bible study books, etc. If you see buses full of kids of all ethnicities and backgrounds coming to worship together, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the lawjustice, mercy, and faith. We believe that the Scriptures are inerrant, infallible, and God-breathed. Romans 5:8 51. According to the ADL "Anti-LGBTQ bigotry and antisemitism are fundamental to New IFB ideology, as demonstrated by the doctrinal statements on their websites and the content of their sermons. We believe in the bodily resurrection of all men, the saved to eternal life, and the unsaved to judgment and everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46; John 5:28, 29, 11:25-26; Revelation 20:5-6, 12-13). Your happy mega churches do too. If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading , The KJV isnt the inspired word of God. While I have no opinions on this I do agree that wives, from a biblical view, should be submissive to their husbands because its found in Ephesians 5:22-23: 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. I do agree that its not sinful about renting movies or watching them on TV. If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. N/A There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin. 23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. 3 1/2 years ago we were addicted to marijuana, cigarettes, alcohol, and pills. Wow! Independent Fundamental Baptist is NOT a denomination because they are Independent I am not Baptist but they are CLOSE to being a denomination because of their beliefs. ), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 41. Would you go back and pet a dog after it bit you? Singing anything other than hymns is too liberal While I do favor hymns but I dont see anything wrong with contemporary music since I like a good mix of hymns and contemporary songs. By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. Sin is sin and the Holy Spirit works in us to pinpoint where we need to change and this happens while we are in the word. My husband sinned, and wanted forgiveness. 46. The True Church: The doctrine of a believer's church is a key belief in Baptist life. I know the answers now. I would of rather take the word literally than follow the world. I dont agree with the term, sowing discord with the brethren because I agree everything what the Bible teaches. This led to calls to evict Stedfast Baptist Church from its location at a strip mall in Watauga, Texas. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. The preachers who I knew as a teenager all had real degrees in theology from acredited universities. Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. You had to wear a tie if you wanted to preach or preside over the Lords Supper. Hypocrites! I have scriptures on my walls that are from other versions. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. This is just another sidetrack from the gospel of of Christ.We are to love one another and build up the church. This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. What if it had been biting you for 5, 10, 15, or (in my case) 25 years and you managed to finally escape would you go back or send a love one to pet it? Simply not true. 20. Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 1. Its never spoken but up there to read. The pastor our local congregation is the preaching elder and most Churches of Christ avoid the term, Pastor, when addressing their ministers. I dont see how. lm 8:4-9; Colossians 3:9-11). I am also against body piercings as well. If you believe going to the movies is a sin but not renting movies or watching them on TV, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 10. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? Some true, some not so much. (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Its insidious and extremely toxic. 35. If you think that the KJV is inspired, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 2. 4. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. Again its too legalistic. (1 Timothy 2:1-6; 1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 5:9,10), The local church is mandated by God to practice two ordinances. your comments are offensive, you are narrow minded. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. Pastor and his wife did pay for the reception, photography, and shower. [4] Anderson has also produced videos in which he attacks the religion of Judaism and questions the official account of the Holocaust. Its concept of an ecclesiastical Kingdom is not supported by Scripture. Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? Most Americans dont understand that there are flavors of Baptist Christianity, everything from liberal to hardcore Fundamentalist. are the result of sin and poor choices, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 46. Dont throw your pearls to pigs! [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. Hes a different man today thanks to Gods grace in our life. Only a person who has embraced the Savior in fa Continue Reading 4 AbdulQadir Salati I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). You ALWAYS have your KJV Bible with you at church, and turn to numerous verses each sermon. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 5 Hypocrite! Auckland, New Zealand, New IFB pastor Logan Robertson was deported from Australia in July 2018 after being accused of harassing Muslims at two Brisbane mosques. 29. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? We believe in salvation by grace Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. Pastor Wilkerson was the one and ONLY pastor who allowed me to work passionately in what ever church ministry I chosen. 33. Im not IFB but I still believe in tithes and offerings. Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. Jesus said I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.. Judah has always been with God.
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