Bullseye 3.2gr / 763fps --> 4.2gr / 892fps (max), Unique 4.3gr / 773fps --> 5.3gr / 944fps (max), 231 3.9gr / 733fps --> 4.8gr / 896pfs (max). Easiest way is casting lines and a sprue mark on nose or base. The cartridge offers a great deal of zest and has thousands of possible load combinations. The upside of the grainage is that the small charges mean more loaded rounds per pound of powderhelpful since Bullseye can take a while to reacquire once the container is empty. Many reloading manuals also list an estimated pressure with a given load. 38 special , bullseye, and 125 grain lead rnfp Handloading, Reloading, and Bullet Casting : The Firing Line Forums > The Skunkworks > Handloading, Reloading, and . I would say I completely disagree with you on ever even contemplating using a revolver for self defense unless you are a person that has never owned a gun and not likely ever to practice with it. I don't completely understand the physics behind it. It has been many years since I used a Lee Loader and a wooden mallet to reload 8mm Mauser. The other .38 Special is a 4 Colt Diamondback. But I think I was still loading the cases from that first box when I quit loading 18 years later! for 38 special There is almost no recoil and the student can increase power level when they feel ready using the same gun. Dont take this the wrong way; Im guessing the average age of .38 spl fans is about my age (70). Although the .357 cylinders are the same length so they can be timed to a 642. Yes I do have a few of the older high quality classic revolvers not the current made Cast Iron garbage that is being vomited out today. Some people then claimed SAAMI raised the 357 Mag to 45,000. Unlike many other guns Ive owned and carried, this little snubby really cant be modified much beyond factory configuration. Upload or insert images from URL. Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense. The key to those rounds, in spite of their paltry muzzle velocity of something like 825 feet per second out of a snubbie, is their diameter and mass: they will make significant diameter holes and penetrate respectably in attackers. I load a hard cast 125gn for my 38 special all the time. The .38 Special remains very popular for personal protection and Michelle Hamilton shares her thoughts on the top loads for concealed carry, like this 158-grain SWCHP FBI Load, based on her testing. When I finally nabbed my own canisters of Bullseye, the first load I spun up was 2.7 grains under Hornadys hollow-base wadcutters. The .327 Fed Mag is IT! RN, 160 gr. Its like a pellet gun with a little noise and smoke if using black powder. For 3 that actually doesnt kick too badly. Unsurpassed for .45 ACP target loads. 32 S&W Long 15,000 I am loath to shoot several cylinders of standard pressure/velocity .38 Special 125 grain bullets out of a Smith and Wesson Model 642 revolver (or similar). I load my own, 130 gr RNFP using Win 231 powder a little over the mid point in the published load data. My experience has always been with bullseye powder. Oh, I practice with it. It seems to burn completely in the .38 and is not as critical as the faster powders like Bullseye. Most people have one general power level for their semi-autos due to the fact that the guns wont function with ammo thats not energetic enough to cycle the slide. would also bridge the gap that the .38 versus .357 have in defensive loads. Powders include IMR, Hodgdon, Alliant, Vihtavuori, Winchester, Accurate Has anyone loaded 38 special with these compoments? A 158 SWCHP at 850-875 fps from a snub. The best part about this is that not only do you never really lose your fired cases, but you they are always in great condition. Dont know where #1 Buckshot can be found, but the Speer shot cups and UNIQUE powder currently easy enough to find. Agree Problem with the J frame S&W is the grips. If you, I took the vow not to buy any more AR-15s a couple of years ago. Nice thing about reloading is that loads can be tailored for the gun that you are shooting. I soon traded off a Colt Frontier Scout .22 LR for an S&W Model 15 and happily chased all manner of small game and landfill targets with my stash of wadcutters. I go with the cheap and easy shake and bake technique that requires only plastic Glad container with a lid, handful of black 6mm BBs and old toaster owen. The 357 magnum about 45,000 psi and the std 38 special about 17,000 psi. I meant to say NRA. Maybe its just my age, but I may never shoot a 38 again after discovering the 32. The cowboy loads would be good choices as listed, since these ARE reduced loads for that sport, where usually just hitting a metal plate to make a sound is all that is required of the round. But, with jacketed bullets that doesn't seen to be working. Interestingly, I had pistols that would shoot one well and the other impressively, but have not yet had one pistol do magic with both. Ive done the majority of shooting in .38 Special in my Smith & Wesson 642. A chameleon depending on your loads and the barrel length or action its fired from. There are many fun uses for buckshot. Ive tried full metal jacket and the Hornady Action Pistol (HAP) match hollow point in this load, and both ranged from good to great in my nines. The 38 Special, practically snubnose 38 Specials, seem to do their best work with bullets right around the 155-160 grain range. Enough that the range Officer at my range recognized them because the muzzle blast made a distinctive cat whisker pattern at 8 and 10, and 2 and 4 o clock. The load is a great learning tool in .45 for beginner and experienced alike. Reloading .44 Spl. The pistol or revolver of good quality is vital. 2) Ammo that would work in the Air Force's Air Crewman Colt's and Smith and Wesson revolvers that had weak alloy cylinders. Ready to load some Berry's148 gr plated DE wadcutters with Bullseye. https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t2221-distinguished-revolver-loads-that-don-t-suck?highlight=distinguished+++%2Bloads, Load question on Penn Bullets for Distinguished load. Notes: primer: CCI 500; case: Speer; NOTE: All loads are maximum. Ive loaded some wadcutters to the point of being flush with the case mouth and big lead bullets almost to the front of the cylinder. I have used everything from simple lead to the most advanced machined copper bullets and found them all to be extraordinarily easy to load and shoot. is a good place to start. IMR 3031 and IMR 4895 are products of IMR (formerly DuPont) Powder Company. JHP, (WC= WadCutter, SWC= Semi-WadCutter, HP= Hollow Point, RN= Round Nose), (JHP= Jacketed Hollow Point and if GC indicated, means Gas Check at bottom of lead bullet). It would have been too hot. Thanks for the excellent article, Josh! But I would only be caught dead with one in my hands if I had to use one for self defense (pun intended). Hornady You need a .357 Magnum revolver if you want to try a 9MM cylinder. Best to start a little low, and work up slowly with a chrono, though. Replaced w/ Altamont laminated wood, and later w/ open- back Pachmayrs- the less-pronounced finger grooves fit me better. I have 125 grain jacketed bullets, Bullseye powder and CCI 500 primers. The powder charges used for .38 are forgiving. I never enjoyed touching off a 357 Mag in a K frame, and I cannot imagine the discomfort of firing it in anything smaller or lighter. Use data for weight. Anyone that uses a J frame S&W should seriously think about swapping grips, and finding which set works for them. The 36s greater weight makes it much easier to shoot than the 638. Choosing a bullet Different colors can be used to identify different loads and since bottom of each bullet is also powder coated, there is less lead dispersed in the air at the shooting range. Many of these men had no real experience with the handgun, and we had but a few weeks to get them up to very high standards that most shooters will never reach. Damn. 38 Special +P 18,500 He has taught and been responsible for numerous advanced skills and weapons courses within multiple organizations. Ive long since changed to a press, but that Lee Loader in its cardboard box is still in a storage box for obsolescent reloading gear. Go figure. Disclaimer, I own or owned all the super calibers out there except the casull, theyre all fun and quite useful in some scenarios, but dont discount the old timer. No matter where you look, the first mention in classic loads for the .38 Special is a 148-grain wadcutter over 2.7 grains of Bullseye. Thanks very much to LarryinTX for that! That little 9 oz. The SP101 is far more comfortable to shoot but not so much fun to carry. Heck, 38s in a J frame arent fun- theres no way a 327 Mag isnt worse. I used to reload .38s and .357s with 158 grain LSWC bullets over 4.3 and 6.5 grains of Unique. accuracy. My more serious RN is the 358311 that drops @150 gr. In 38/357 they don't list 105 gr bullets, but the do list 90's and 125's. Easy enough to extrapolate for a 105 grain . This 1911 halved its normal so-so accuracy with 200-grain Hornady C/T SWC, shooting this nice two-inch group. Larry Gibson "Deficient observation is merely a form of ignorance and responsible for the many morbid notions and foolish ideas prevailing." Nikola Tesla 01-30-2020, 01:43 PM #9 Mr_Flintstone Boolit Buddy Join Date Jan 2020 Location WITH THE SWAGED BULLETS REDDING SELLS A PROFILE CRIMP DIE. The design of this modern revolver makes the SW guns seem archaic. The least is usually supplied as a large cylindrical billet weighing several hundred pounds. 5 are good choices. That being the case, I truly NEED as much ammunition as possible and the ability to defeat soft barriers such as auto windshields, sheet metal, drywall, doors, etc. : 1,266 1,472 Press. Loath and Loathe are different words that mean different things. An early Les Baer .45 knotted a group of the lead SWCs into a tight 1.3-inch group, while an M&P .45 did 1.25 inches. How can I tell if they are cast or swaged? . Classics go well together: circa 1909 S&W .38 Special and traditional 148-grain wadcutter load of 2.7 grains of Bullseye. Robert Frost. Classic loads are economical. Winchester only published load for WST in 38 special using lead bullets if you look at the data for the 158 data the start load goes from 3.3 Gr and a max load of 3.7 Gr. I am aware of the plated bullet limitations on BE accuracy and am more interested in them for their "plinkability". Please enable javascript before you are allowed to see this page. each bullet is different for oal due to a crimp groove on most. They have a large selection about the hard cast loads from 90 to 170 gains. Here's what the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook says for cast 125g flatpoint for 38 in the powders you mentioned. Not all guns are created equal. I was hoping I could use this combo to make use of available components. Since it hit the market 103 years ago, it has been a staple for most handloaders and the backbone of most accuracy loads in the popular calibers. Because we have no action to cycle, the novice reloader can afford to be off a bit if they have an entry-level scale or powder dispenser. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. My usual 38 Spl load is a 125 gr plated bullet over 5 grains of bullseye. Hence I carry a semi-auto pistol chambered in .40 S&W. In the 1950s, 60s. We've got some great loads for 158 coated and plated semi wadcutters, and we're trying something new. JHP, 125 gr. 6.) It will then fit in your 38 Special gun. Minnesota. Load it like Trail Boss. Very forgiving with a straight wall case, and tons of bullet variety. I once rented a Ruger LCR in .38 Special. it seems awful confusing, but with time you will be able to interpolate the published data into something that will give you good starting points to work up your loads. I found it to be a nice blend of accuracy, soft recoil, and sure functioning, with enough spice behind it to reliably topple steel targets. 3.7gr WST with Zero 158 SWC did the job for me. Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. During my first half century on this planet, my caliber of choice for defense was 45 ACP- but for everything else it was always 38 SPL. Reduce by 10% to establish a starting charge weight. Posted March 2, 2013. The 919 case is tapered and therefore wider at the base than the .38 special is. These bullets shot to point of aim in modern S&W snubbies, but the older M10-5 was regulated with 158 grain bullets and 125's shoot low. Yeah no. .38 brass isnt as common as 9, .40, or .45 brass at the range, but of all the revolver brass you can find its the most plentiful. You cannot paste images directly. Wow I learned something vital from this topic. Bullseye and NRA Distinguished Revolver Did you cross post the bullet weight? Paste as plain text instead, A GI surplus 1911 that puts most loads into dinner-plate sized groups cut 3.8 inches with the classic recipewhich is probably the only time Ive gotten excited about an almost four-inch group! I do this for my .357s but this article is about .38 Special loads. Recoil is the good kind that reminds the shooter handguns are serious tools but without eliciting a flinch. Very little recoil, and grouped acceptably out to 15 yards or so. For any loads over 900-1,000 FPS, I suggest using a jacketed bullet. Shot many thousands of my bullseye powder reloads with it. 4.2 gr. I have some W231 that I use for my .38 super. I have read some posts online from people who claim that it makes no difference whether the bullets are swaged or cast; and they can be loaded to the same velocity, but the swaged bullets will lead up a barrel faster because the lead is softer. If you havent taken a look at what the .38 Special offers, youre selling yourself short. VV N320, N330 and N340 are products of VihtaVouri Oy Company ammunition in the same gun enables that shooter to hunt larger game and to fend off beasts that snarl. I carried a lightly customized 4 inch heavy barrel model 10 for years, with a black cerakote job. The load you use will be up to your gun. But its also worth considering that its pushing the same size and weight projectile at the same velocity as the standard Army revolver load during the Civil War.
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